Same! Same! Same! - Revision history

Dreamroad: Corrected staff list

2025-10-18T05:11:38Z

Corrected staff list

Fw: Overhaul of the Weapon System section.

2025-04-21T19:23:05Z

Overhaul of the Weapon System section.

Fw: Cleaned up Controls overview.

2025-04-21T18:21:57Z

Cleaned up Controls overview.

Fw: Reformatted opening

2025-04-21T14:31:03Z

Reformatted opening

Smc stg at 23:20, 13 October 2024

2024-10-13T23:20:52Z

Smc stg at 12:25, 16 April 2024

2024-04-16T12:25:26Z

Trap15: Video index link

2023-11-20T08:38:02Z

Video index link

Ratikal at 03:04, 3 November 2023

2023-11-03T03:04:51Z

Frostyryker at 17:49, 23 July 2023

2023-07-23T17:49:59Z

Frostyryker: Formatting

2023-04-29T21:22:54Z

Formatting

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 | developer = [[Toaplan]]
 | music = Masahiro Yuge
-| program = Sanae Nito<br/>Yuko Tataka
+| program = Masahiro Yuge
-| art = Shintaro Nakaoka
+| art = Koetsu Iwabuchi <br>Shintaro Nakaoka <br>Sanae Nito<br>Yuko Tataka
 | releasedate = November 2, 1989
 | previousgame =[[Zero Wing]]

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 === Weapon System ===
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-Same! Same! Same! has three weapon types available for use throughout the game, outlined below.  Only one weapon may be used at a time.  The player can convert their shot to another weapon type by picking up the corresponding weapon change item for the desired weapon.  Beware, however, that the change to the new weapon cannot take place until all of the shots of the previous weapon has left the screen.  It can be advantageous to stop firing shortly before changing weapons if it is safe to do so as this allows the new weapon to be used immediately if necessary.  It is dangerous to quickly collect several different weapon items while firing as this can prevent the final item collecting from being recognised, leaving the player with a weapon they did not intend to use.
+The game features three weapon types, with only one usable at a time. Players can switch weapons by collecting the corresponding item, but the change won't occur until all shots from the current weapon have left the screen.  To switch quickly, it's often best to stop firing briefly before picking up a new weapon, if it is safe to do so. Collecting multiple weapon items in rapid succession while firing can prevent the final item from being registered, potentially leaving the player with an unintended weapon.
-==== Spread Shot (Blue) ====
+The game features an on-screen shot limit of 3 salvos at a time for each weapon. The Fire Shot is not affected by this limitation.
-This is the standard weapon the player begins the game with.  It is also the weapon the player reverts to after losing a life.  The vast majority of the game will typically be played using this weapon as it is by far the most well-rounded of the three.  Even if another type would be advantageous for an individual section, switching back and forth between the different shots at will is rarely practicable due to the restrictive item drop system.  A likely result is that an opportunity to change back will not come for quite some time, and the player may be forced to struggle on with the new weapon through new areas where it poses an extreme disadvantage.
+<tabber>
-The spread shot has by far the best range, its shots covering the entire upper screen at full power.  This makes it ideal for dealing with the many areas in the game where enemies enter the screen from multiple points, and sections where large swarms of enemies appear across the whole screen such as in stages 6 and 10.
+'''Strengths'''
-It is also by far the best weapon for quickly dealing with bosses and other very large enemies. Shooting rapidly at close range destroys many of the bosses in the game extremely quickly.  The closer the player's proximity to the intended target, the more individual shots of the spread will make contact with the enemy's hitbox.  Combined with high frequency autofire, this allows an extreme amount of damage to be delivered in a short space of time at close range.  It is this dual purpose nature of the spread shot that makes it so useful, allowing the player to use it either for range or power through controlling the rate of fire and the distance from the target.
+'''Weaknesses'''
-It does however have some disadvantages: the spread shot's attack consists of individual bullets.  These individual bullets have gaps between them, and this makes it possible for the intended target to survive by passing through these gaps, especially at lower power levels.  It is a common cause of death to miss shooting an enemy that was expected to be destroyed and immediately be hit by that enemy before being able to react.  The spread shot can only shoot at enemies above the player, making it difficult to deal with some enemies in the game that appear from the bottom of the screen.
+''Each power level grants unique bonuses:''
-Same! Same! Same! has a limit to the number of player bullets that may be on screen at a time - the 'shot limit'.  Another shot may only be fired if there are less than four bullets of any row currently on screen.  This means using the starting 3-way shot there may only be a maximum of 12 individual bullets on screen at any given time.  After upgrading to the 5-way shot there may be a maximum of 20 individual bullets on screen.  Another set of bullets may only be fired when doing so would not cause this limit to be exceeded.  This shot limit is another way to miss an enemy that would normally be expected to be hit - the shot limit being activated at an inopportune time and preventing the player from firing on the enemy.  An important aspect of skilled play is varying one's shooting frequency to minimize the breaks in fire caused by the shot limit, based on the vertical position of the player and the number of enemies.
+'''Strengths'''
-==== Fire (Red) ====
+'''Weaknesses'''
-With the Fire weapon, holding the A button releases a constant flamethrower attack.  Much like the spread shot, powering up increases the density of the fire.  At the lowest power level, a single forward firing flamethrower is fired.  Ascending to the second power level adds a second forward firing flamethrower, effectively doubling the width of attack range.  At the third power level two moving flamethrowers are added.  After holding A these side flamethrowers will start at roughly a 45° angle and fan out to be completely horizontal, returning to their original angle after a short time.  At full power yet another two flamethrowers are added which begin firing horizontally and fan out to fire behind the player.
+* Low overall damage. Especially against quick, medium-hp targets.
-Effective use of the Fire weapon at power levels 3 and 4 will involve frequent release of the A button to reset the fanning cycle of the outer flamethrowers, allowing them to fire at the desired angles at the desired times.  This makes the Fire weapon preferable to the spread shot in some places as the ability to aim at targets behind the player is unique to this weapon.  Unlike the spreadshot the attack is a continous stream with no gaps which means it is able to dispatch some enemies before they are even able to shoot, which would be unlikely to occur with a non-continuous weapon.
+'''Strengths'''
-The Fire weapon is effective at dealing with some moderate sized enemies, in particular the larger tanks.  However it fares much more poorly against the moderate sized plane enemies.  It is an extremely poor weapon for use against most bosses as it is unable to deal effective damage against their main parts.  The Stage 5 boss in particular receives extremely little damage from this weapon and so in this area it must be avoided at all costs.  The weapon's attack is a very similar colour to enemy bullets and so it can be difficult to detect their prescense and avoid them while in use.
+'''Weaknesses'''
 === Dynamic Difficulty ===

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 === Controls ===
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-Same! Same! Same! has a very simple control scheme, using only an 8-directional joystick and two buttons:
+Same! Same! Same! uses 2 buttons by default.
-Diagonal movement is slower than non-diagonal movement and can be exploited for precise positioning.  However, unlike many other games, only true diagonal movement is slower, meaning that the player cannot reduce their speed by moving diagonally when movement in one axis is prevented by a screen boundary.
+* '''A:''' Shot, hold for autofire.
-It is recommended that the player set up a 30hz autofire button for A.  For other firing rates the player may prefer either to set up additional autofire buttons or tap A manually.
+Diagonal movement is slower than non-diagonal movement and can be exploited for precise positioning.  Unlike many other games with this quirk, only true diagonal movement is slower, meaning that the player cannot reduce their speed by moving diagonally when movement in one axis is prevented by a screen boundary.
 === Bomb Properties ===

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 }}
-'''Same! Same! Same!''' is a vertically scrolling shooting game developed by [[Toaplan]] in 1989. The name translates to Shark! Shark! Shark! in English. The western release was renamed Fire Shark. It is the sequel to [[Toaplan]]'s 1987 game [[Hishōzame]] also know as Sky Shark or Flying Shark. It maintains the military battle theme with the player controlling a biplane with an incredible arsenal of weapon possibilities.
+[[{{FULLPAGENAME}}|Same! Same! Same!]] <small>(JP: 鮫!鮫!鮫!, lit. "Shark! Shark! Shark!", localized in the West as '''''Fire Shark''''')</small> is a vertical scrolling shooting game developed by [[Toaplan]] and released in arcades in 1989. It is the sequel to [[Hishōzame]].
-This game feels very much like a typical older [[Toaplan]] game with the weapon power up system and the bomb stock. It might be the most refined and fun of these older [[Toaplan]] games before they went onto more experimental and Cave-like directions. It does offer a dynamic difficulty to keep players coming back to this gem.
+The game maintains the military theme with the player piloting a biplane, but expands the weapon roster with 3 unique shot types.
 {{VideoIndex}}

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 The higher the rank and the higher the power level, the lower the *rate* value becomes and the more often an enemy fires.
-==== Aim Adjustment Rate ====
+==== Cannon Turning Rate ====
-Tanks and turrets must rotate their cannons towards the player's current position before firing.  The rate at which they can rotate is determined by the player's current power level:
+Tanks, boats and turrets must rotate their cannons towards the player's current position before firing.  The rate at which they can rotate is determined by the player's current power level:
   '''rate''' = 6 - '''power'''*2
 ''rate'' is the number of frames between each angle change.  At maximum power the angle is adjusted every frame.
 As can be seen neither the rank level nor the loop nor any other factors affect the rate of aiming adjustment.
 ==== Enemy HP scaling ====

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 |colspan="3"|No
 |-
-!Allows 2 players simultaneously?
+!Allow 2 players simultaneously?
 |No
 |colspan="3"|Yes
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 |+ Items
+!
-! 1-player version
+! 1P
-! 2-player version
+! 2P
-! Fire Shark (A)
+! FS (A)
-! Fire Shark (B)
+! FS (B)
 |-
 ! Item table version
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 | C
 |-
-! Number of elements in item table
+! Length of item drop cycle
 | 71
 |colspan="3"|91
 |-
-! Number of table-based item carriers per loop
+! Number of sequential item carriers per loop
 | 75
 |colspan="3"|95
 |-
-!Position in item table resets on death?
+!Position in item table resets upon death?
 |Yes
 |colspan="3"|No
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 |colspan="3"|No
 |-
-!Extended on-screen lifetime for power, speed, bomb, red items?
+!Time limit of power, speed, bomb, red items
-|No
+|512
-|colspan="3"|Yes
+|colspan="3"|1408
 |-
 ! Fixed speed item drops from specific enemies?
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 |Yes
 |colspan="3"|No
 |}
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 |+ Difficulty
+!
-! 1-player version
+! 1P
-! 2-player version
+! 2P
-! Fire Shark (A)
+! FS (A)
-! Fire Shark (B)
+! FS (B)
 |-
 ! Power level affects bullet speed?
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 |colspan="3"|No
 |-
-! Power level affects enemy aiming speed?
+! Power level affects turret turning speed?
 | Yes
 |colspan="3"|No
 |-
-!Red weapon effect
+!Red weapon penalty
 |Enemy bullet speed increases
-|colspan="2"|No effect
+|colspan="2"|None
 |Enemies attack more frequently
 |-
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 |Yes
 |-
-!Enemies invulnerable at edge of screen?
+!Enemies invulnerable at edges of screen?
 |colspan="3"|No
 |Yes
 |-
 ! Stage 1 boss aiming
-| Randomized
+| Scattered
 |colspan="3"|Direct
 |-

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 '''Same! Same! Same!''' is a vertically scrolling shooting game developed by [[Toaplan]] in 1989. The name translates to Shark! Shark! Shark! in English. The western release was renamed Fire Shark. It is the sequel to [[Toaplan]]'s 1987 game [[Hishōzame]] also know as Sky Shark or Flying Shark. It maintains the military battle theme with the player controlling a biplane with an incredible arsenal of weapon possibilities.
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 This game feels very much like a typical older [[Toaplan]] game with the weapon power up system and the bomb stock. It might be the most refined and fun of these older [[Toaplan]] games before they went onto more experimental and Cave-like directions. It does offer a dynamic difficulty to keep players coming back to this gem.
+{{VideoIndex}}
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+{{clear}}
 ==Gameplay Overview ==

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 '''Same! Same! Same!''' is a vertically scrolling shooting game developed by [[Toaplan]] in 1989. The name translates to Shark! Shark! Shark! in English. The western release was renamed Fire Shark. It is the sequel to [[Toaplan]]'s 1987 game [[Hishōzame]] also know as Sky Shark or Flying Shark. It maintains the military battle theme with the player controlling a biplane with an incredible arsenal of weapon possibilities.